If Saul is in fact a disciple of Gamaliel, then he seems to have a considerably different opinion on how to handle the apostolic witness when we meet him in Acts 9. Jesus is in agreement with the Law and the Prophets and came to fulfill them. [Matthew 5:17-20]. Thanks also for your series on New Perspectives. When he was younger, he used to have the great theological insight about territorial spirits and wrestling with dark angels. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. Just as Muslims believe that Muhammad never intentionally disobeyed God, Roman Catholics believe Mary was sinless and Evangelical Christians think its heresy to state flatly Paul was WRONG., The Apostle Matthew recorded that at Jesus baptism, A voice from heaven said, This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. [Matthew 3:17], In Gospel of Mark (Mark recorded the teaching of the Apostle Peter), we read: a voice came from the cloud: This is my Son, whom I love. I dont think hes involved in church much, but I could talk with that guy. Their differing viewpoints do not seem like enough cause, to me, to doubt that Saul studied with Gamaliel. Modern day Christianity has more of its roots in Constantine. Posting links about Judaism doesnt correlate that you actually understand Judaism. This idea can even be applied to his post-conversion work seeing how he sought to integrate the Gentiles into the Church when it was still a controversial issue. QUOTE The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the throne! . Hes an Liberal heretic !!! For that matter, was he even n the observing crowd at the time of the 1st Pentecost speech by Peter? What is this blog? The concept of a rabbi was extremely new in Paul's time, and he probably didn't study under one. According to tradition, Gamaliel and Nicodemus buried Saint Stephen outside of Jerusalem. etc. What is a common analogy for a permanent decision? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? But the testimonies of the era indicate he would have become a ward and trainee of Gamaliel in the age range of 10-14. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Sticking with Acts, Gamaliel counsels caution in Acts 5, Rabbi Saul seems to abandon caution by Acts 7. Who needs truth in relationship, when I can quickly get market share, and totally dominate the market, through mergers and acquisitions? According to Jesus, which Commandment is the Most Important? [Matthew, John, Revelation, 2 Peter NIV], Jesus is The Way to God The real Jesus of the real Apostles But false teachers come and pervert Gods Word With twists and turns and jostles, My sheep listen to my voice Jesus said for us all to hear I know them, and they follow me He doesnt run when a wolf appears, He calls his own sheep by name Its not the witchcraft of a distant stranger Not just repeating the magic words And then thinking you are out of danger, Our Father in Heaven wants to talk to you He can hear you loud and clear And He sent His Son Jesus to inhabit the earth So that all who want God can draw near, Real prayer is a conversation At least thats what God wants it to be We talk in the garden in the cool of the day When we are part of His family, Only Jesus never disobeyed God Hes the only immaculate conception The Holy Spirit comes in His Name Dont listen to the voice of deception, If a false apostle preaches I became your father, imitate me He doesnt speak the words of God Its just Boss Paul the Pharisee, And if a heretic now claims to be The Churchs universal pastor His words should be ignored They lead to nothing but disaster, Jesus did not just teach The Way He IS The Way, my friend Repeating the mantra of Marypaulhammad Is nothing but a dead end, Bibliography all quotes in quotation marks are the words of Jesus in the Gospel of John chapter 10. I think there is some sort of progression, however, in Pauls theology. The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death. Therefore, in times when there is no clarity, we should end there and not come up with our own assumptions. xl. . Er was the first person God killed for being wicked ( Gen 38:7 ). Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. Having other ideas that moves us away from the scripture is tantamount to adding or subtracting from the Word which we are forbidden to do. WE are not even in this game! For these reasons, it seems highly unlikely that Paul isolated himself for the purpose of study during these "Lost Years.". .1) Gospel of Mark time lag between being appointed and being sent Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. If you say we dont know enough, or it isnt clear, you are not familiar with the text of the New Testament. If we need a man or a group of men to interpret the Word for us, that would make it a revelation that needs to be revealed. In Acts 5:34 he appears as an advocate of the nascent congregation of Jesus' disciples in Jerusalem and is called "a Pharisee, a teacher of the Law, held in honor by all the people.". Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. Begins with a consonant. (John 10:33) This is still the issue with many Jews, God simply cannot become fully Incarnate. His knowledge and metaphors have helped me relate more to what his letters say. They didnt celebrate easter, christmas, saunday. They all teach we should be like Paul and we should listen to Paul without examining Pauls life and Pauls teachings in the light of the teachings of Jesus in Scripture. When Paul was arrested, he told the people and the authorities, "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated at the feet of Gamaliel according to the strict manner of the law of our fathers, being zealous for God as all of you are this day" (Acts 22:3). (Paul said so is one witness, but you need to establish every matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses. I got lots of note on it I thank God and I praise God. Indeed in this case Christian tradition cannot really be trusted, in my opinion. Although he was born in Tarsus in Cilicia, Paul spent a considerable amount of time in Jerusalem under the tutelage of Gamaliel in the strict manner of the law of the Jews (Acts 22:3). For example, Gi. And one for Muhammad too. These towns created laws that anyone in the town must worship these gods in order to buy, sell, trade or commute in the city. http://www.problemswithpaul.com/Apostle_Paul.html. There is absolutely no Christianity in the book of Acts. mostly ranting about people not studying the Bible and running around eith misunderstandings. Heres part two of this poem this spot seems the most appropriate place, I am he who searches hearts and minds says the Risen Jesus Christ Repent and do what you did at first Dont be lazy since He paid the price, Yes, Jesus sees our sins today Dont think that He is blind But the words of paul the Pharisee Will put you in a bind, Jesus washed away your sins Dont listen to paul the accuser paul abandoned the Church in Corinth And then paul became an abuser, When you put your trust in Jesus Yes, your stains were white as snow You didnt need to wear a Scarlet Letter Everywhere you go, I will repay each of you According to your deeds This is Jesus speaking to The Church Not a business selling felt needs, For those who claim to be apostles Jesus said they must be tested Priscilla, Aquila, and Apollos Persevered and were not bested, They exposed the false teachings Of paul the Pharisee So the Church in Ephesus rejected paul And had a chance to be free, Bibliography All quotes are the words of Jesus, in Revelation Chapter 2, Do we know what language was spoken in Gamaliels school or likely to have been spoken Hebrew or Aramaic? What was Paul's purpose in the Bible? Plenty of time for him to get familiar with popular Greek culture in order to draw appropriate analogies. Paul was actually heeding the words of his teacher Gamaliel, who had said to guard against being "found fighters actually against God" by rejecting his pharisaical life and becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. I also imagine Yoda being Gamaliel and Luke Skywalker being Paul. God led Paul to write what what was necessary to be included in scripture, but at the same time God does not use men as mindless puppets, but he uses our personalities, ideas, and who we are to accomplish what he wants. He was most highly trained as a Pharisee, so maybe and OT PhD at the best university today? But let us not confuse the issue with facts. When did Paul study under Gamaliel? If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). As is his conventional style, NT Wright is overly presuppositionsal in so much of his theology generally that I cannot personally ascribe to him much status as a scholarly commentator . Jesus warned us about the Pharisees in Matthew chapters 15 & 16, and quoted the Prophet Isaiah regarding them: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul, rather than the voices of Jesus and the Original Apostles. I am one of those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. [Revelation 12:17] No Im not perfect without sin, and No I dont know everything now. Thats the short version of my definition of what is an Apostle.. Is the Word of God a revelation to man? Paul, (Timothy1:1) Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" to? That is the basic idea of the heavy-duty seminary language we were being trained in. One of them responded to me QUOTE: In short you believe Paul is the Anti Christ.. Not a new theory Mostly just misunderstanding Pauls writings..He never preached to abolish The Torah thats a misunderstanding https://unashamedofjesus.org/2016/05/31/greatest-commandment/#comment-5642, The other one responded to me QUOTE: When you referred to Jesus words about the greatest commandment, you neglected to mention the context. mercer county, pa public records; facts about the roman . 1:3 ; 1:11-12, etc.). We know that as a young man Paul studied under the tutelage of Rabbi Gamaliel in Tarsus, who provided him with an expert knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures ( Acts 22:3 ). He was the son of Simeon ben Hillel and grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder. Pauls speech and thought directly lines up with the teachings of Hillel.. Mantra: ..and Muhammad is his prophet., .3) Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed Apostle to the Gentiles, whose 13 letters comprise one third of what, today, we call the New Testament. (The first, original New Testament was composed by the second century heretic Marcion, and he coined the term New Testament. His new book contained nothing except 10 of Pauls letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. and to make a point in this conversation,where did you get the idea that Saul (Paul) was Jewish.? As a result, Paul calls Peter a hypocrite for following Maase HaTorah or in English Works of the Law instead of what following what the Torah actually stated. The commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this ONE RULE: Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor. Were in a recession, the economy is terrible, jobs are scarce, immorality is rampant, and in many ways the country is falling apart. Once you have taken the covenant you are native born. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. That is not really the case. Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like Definition of 'epistle', 5 Common Denominators of an Epistle, T/F - Christ is a relationship not a religion and more. This is more accurate, important, and authoritative than personal letters written by Paul the Pharisee, who never knew Jesus personally, had no part in His ministry, and had no eyewitness testimony. Yes, Christians are the new Pharisees and because of Paul will never figure it out. Well see in your other articles. Later, when Im at the height of my career, and Im financially secure and I dont have to worry about finding a job or keeping my job, and I have some real influence- maybe 40 years from now, when Im, like, in my sixties, say in around 2013- thats when Ill really be able to stand up for Jesus. (Also to other eyewitness testimony, recorded by Mark and Luke.) There were plenty of other messianic pretenders besides Jesus, the difference is that some claimed that he was raised form the dead. And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter. Only 3 of these men wrote Scripture in the Bible Matthew, John and Peter. A generation before Christ there were two great rabbis, Hillel and Shammai. I would agree that Saul takes a different approach than Gamaliel to the upstart church at the beginning of Acts, but I will insist that he returns to the teachings of his youth after his conversion (no doubt in no small part due to the Holy Spirit). The character and position of his father. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. Helpful. We have no evidence that I know of to describe his attitude toward those things prior to his Damascus Road and Arabia experiences. Dont ask us! You are Simon son of John said Jesus, without elaboration. I found Pauls athletic references to be really intriguing as well Emily. take Paul leaving his honor spot of next chief of the Sanhedrin (being Gamaliel's student). In practical terms, regarding texts of the Bible, that means that the most important words are the words of Jesus recorded by The Apostles Matthew and John (closely followed by Mark) in my view. The words of Jesus are superior to the words of everyone else in the Bible and to everyone else in the world. Contemporary Jewish records continue to list him first among the Sanhedrin.[24]. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits. [Mark 6:6-7], .2) Gospel of Luke time lag between being appointed and being sent One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. [Romans 13:8-10, Leviticus 19:18]. He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. No one. and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. Thus, Matthew was providing a second written witness, confirming the testimony of Jesus.). Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read. He appointed twelve designating them apostles that they might be with him [Mark 3:13-14], Three chapters later, Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. Long has taught full time at Grace Christian University since 1998, specializing in Bible and Biblical languages. There will always necessarily be a need for supposition and inference. Maase Hatorah -works of the law 2. We'll address more of this in a moment. His most recent book is The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World (Rockridge, 2022). Paul has already been briefly mentioned in Acts in Chapters 7 and 8, in connection with the stoning of Stephen. More Wright supposition! I have regularly recommended you start your own blog and have these sorts of discussions there. The alternative must be that the author of Acts was using some literary licence in portraying the event. Tobit is a good reference In the Babylonian Talmud, Zevahim 97b and 100b there are statements given in the name of Rabbi Akiva that in the case of an unclaimed body, if no one is attending to it, the responsibility for the buriasl of this corpse falls on this person, who must do it despite any obstacles, regardless if one is a High Priest or Nazirite, neither of whom are allowed to become tamei, ritually impure. I would think that he would include that in his self-description as the chief of sinners. Instead, it puts their focus on their one special man above all others his personality, words and teachings, character, life example, feelings, experience, intentions, mind, will, emotions, etc. . Tha A in TanAch. He ignored your instructions that I passed on to him. [erase erase erase], Actually, the same is true for you Thaddaeus, after you were appointed. I wonder what would happen if by his own mouth ,he will say Im Roman now what do you call someone that say things and then change .. Wrong. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . Matthew built on Marks work, using it as a backbone, and filling out more background details, and references to The Law, The Prophets, and Psalms, etc. He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). I tried to look for the beginning (Acts 1), because a friend Im discipling has asked to go through Acts with me, and this looks like good supplement material. My question is, is it too outrageous to see Pauls tendency (pre-conversion and post-conversion) as one that is either starting up a new hybrid of Jewish thought or a member of one of the smaller groups already formed? He is never popular, but always interesting! The underlying unspoken assumption is that The Bible (66 Books) was given to us by God as one book and its all equal in level of authority, priority, and importance. I believe that his reaction was not majorly a reflection of his upbringing and teaching, but rather of a fear that the tradition and comfort of the Jewish ways was being challenged by a dangerous liberal view (P. Long), and he thought it his duty to protect his lifestyle and beliefs as a Hebrew of Hebrews, a Pharisee, and of the Tribe of Benjamin (Phi 3:5-5). Thanks, Andrew. He uses this in Philippians 3:12-14 to describe the Christian walk. I pray that you will be blessed with the knowledge of Jesus Christ and Gods love through the cross for you. It isnt a question of mens opinions about what Paul really meant or what Paul must have known or what Paul was actually referring to here or what Paul was clearly implying or what we must conclude that Paul was assuming, etc. He states that if the apostolic movement is from God then it cannot be stopped, if it is not form God then it cannot succeed. The Zealots were against the Political oppressors, the Sadducees were complacent and the Pharasees were die hard conservatives that had a history of killing over the strict preservation of the law (Polhill 27-28). In support of this alternative, it has long been noted that Galatians 1:16-24 appears to describe a . The overwhelming majority of the epistles is actually fighting against the teachings of Shammai in his time period. Phillip J. Long- Sorry i have nothing to learn from replacement theology or of Constantine Christianity followers who believe that somehow eventhough the book is filled with Jews or converts practicing Judaism is magically replaced by ridiculous made up church doctrine. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. Evangelism is part of the Second Commandment given by Jesus, to Love people. In fact Paul was called Shaliach and Yeshua was called Rabbi. Who did Paul study under in the Bible? (Eastern Orthodox). The NIV translation inserts the heading Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas for the passage Luke wrote in Acts 1:12-26]. N. T. Wright describes the Shammaite Pharisee as a militant hard-liner that was not willing to work with Rome as long as they could study the Torah, as Hillel had said (What Saint Paul Really Said, 26). If the LORD Yahweh, and His Son Yeshua the Jewish Messiah is God, follow Him; but if Paal is God, follow him. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? One syllable, beginning with a consonant. What is an Apostle? Here is the answer based on the original sources: The words and actions of Jesus and the Original Apostles in the text of the New Testament. He was a ruthless persecutor who sought to stop what he saw as an aberration within Judaism. (Acts 9:20-22) I think his training with Gamaliel was a large influence on his passion though. Paul would say his success came from the power of the Gospel and the Holy Spirit. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. See also John 17:17; Eph 5:17; Acts 2:41. The overwhelming internal evidence of The New Restament and mishnaic sources on the Schools of Shammai and of Hillel support the liklihood of Paul being from the School of Hillel. About The Author Tovia Singer - Rabbi Tovia Singer is well known as the Founder and Director of Outreach Judaism, an international organization dedicated to countering the efforts of fundamentalist Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion. Acts 22:3. Mantra: All Scripture is God-breathed.. I dont see this in the text. The sentence begins with So in the NIV and Amplified Bibles, and Therefore in the NASB and King James Bibles, which ties 7:12 to the previous sentences. That is the order of address in near eastern culture and especially the Sanhedrin, being the Nazarite or the one ran by corrupted Pharisee and Sadducee. Even Festus said that Paul was very learned, Acts 26:24. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. 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